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Post by rejected on May 28, 2015 14:34:46 GMT -5
So with the MCAT no longer being needed, will the grades go up/down/stay the same? What do you think, fellow rejects?
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Post by bellarke on May 28, 2015 21:42:50 GMT -5
I was accepted but I feel like the marks are going to need to be even higher. :/ I think they should raise the cut off to 80% to remove some false hope, as bad as that sounds. It seems like marks have been going up (based on the admissions data posted since the class of 2012) and this won't help. Only time will tell.
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Post by guest3421 on May 29, 2015 5:35:42 GMT -5
I know at least application numbers will increase which would bring in more marks amd what not. Without my MCAT score my average is slightly better but not sure how I'm going to tackle next year or if I will
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Post by InALibrary on Aug 31, 2015 17:32:36 GMT -5
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Post by InALibrary on Aug 31, 2015 17:47:18 GMT -5
Also to add,
2012 Undergraduate Applicants: 282 2013 Undergraduate Applicants: 308 2014 Undergraduate Applicants: 336 2015 Undergraduate Applicants: 409
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Post by Guest 1789067897 on Sept 1, 2015 6:07:43 GMT -5
Interview: Mean: 81.56 (80.4 Last Year, 77.0125 for 2013) Median: 82.38 (79.88 Last Year, 77.25 for 2013)
The stats have steadily been increasing each year I would expect the same for next year.
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Post by 77777 on Sept 1, 2015 10:23:41 GMT -5
as a 3rd degree reject...I hope the marks stay about the same or slightly decrease lol
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Post by carrot on Sept 2, 2015 7:46:30 GMT -5
I am also interested to see if the ovc dropout rate will increase at all after removing the mcat. I realize we still have to have quite a few volunteer hours however it is one less hurdle stopping people from applying solely because they have high marks rather than because they are truly passionate about being a vet. I think it would have made more sense to keep the mcat as a requirement but made it a pass/fail type thing to avoid comparing different versions. You would still have to write it and get above a certain mark but it just wouldn't be used in the admission score calculation. Thats just my thoughts anyways! Good luck to all applying for next year!
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Post by Guest 19191 on Sept 2, 2015 8:18:22 GMT -5
I thought getting rid of the MCAT was a great idea! OVC was one of the few vet schools that used it as part of the admissions criteria, most other vet schools (that I've looked into) take the GRE, which makes it a pain for anyone who has to do both.
Besides, I don't think the MCAT or any standardized test for that matter is a good representation of ones capability of being a vet.
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Post by passionate on Oct 6, 2015 23:34:25 GMT -5
I would really like to see OVC tackle this problem. High grades are no longer the best way to select DVM students; at least, not on their own. In reality, our reference letters, experience, personal statement, etc. mean nothing except to disqualify us if they are not sufficient. The passion in our statement, the quality and dedication of our experience, and the genuine nature of our reference do not in any way serve to differentiate the selection pool. As application numbers and therefore grades continue to rise, along with removal of the MCAT allowing 'anyone' to apply, the profession has reached a dangerous point of admitting those who are easy to select (just ranked numbers) versus those who will represent the veterinary field in the future. As someone who has heard from many clients in my various workplaces that their trust in the veterinary field is waning, this is not just about personal interest. This is about preserving the positive reputation and reflection of veterinarians to the public as a whole.
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Post by Corally on Oct 14, 2015 19:13:17 GMT -5
I think it is naive and optimistic to believe that OVC will see a problem with admitting only the most academically-strong individuals into the DVM program. All considered, the admittance averages for OVC are still below the averages of most Ontario medical schools. As much as it sucks for those of us who have been rejected because of low grades, I know that the individuals I competed against for a spot in the program this past fall were as motivated to be admitted as I was. I take comfort in knowing that the OVC class of 2019 are extremely bright, determined people who had to overcome as many hurdles as I did for an interview spot. They had to volunteer and get references, but on top of that, they excelled academically. This doesn't mean that they are less socially-adept or unprepared to work in the veterinary field. They are the best of the best. I wouldn't want a spot in that class unless I had earned it.
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Post by rejected on Nov 1, 2015 17:04:15 GMT -5
f**k my life. Another round of midterms. I seem to be forever stuck with an 85% average. There is always that one course that brings it down. When the MCAT was used, I could average up the academic portion with a high MCAT score, since the average applicant didn't even have a 30... And at least come close to being admitted. Now to get in I would need an 88-89% score on the interview... Which is highly unlikely. With a range of 92%, my guess is that only ~5/200 people get an interview score of 88 or above. I don't know what to do
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Post by ??? on Nov 1, 2015 21:30:43 GMT -5
How did you calculate that you would need an 89% on the interview?
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Post by rejected on Nov 1, 2015 23:29:36 GMT -5
Used rough mean/median stats to get a composite score. Average admitted marks = 89%; Average interview score = 82%; Average composite score(65/35) = 86.5 Average admitted marks = 85%; Average interview score = 89%; Average composite score(65/35) = 86.4 Similar calculation with medians. I understand that I am dealing with means and medians so it's not exact & that people (slightly) below this composite score get in; but this is the sweet spot that one should aim for to be safe. There is no more 3rd factor MCAT fiddling with the composite score so things are more straightforward than last year in terms of prediction. So I suppose realistically an 85% marks/87% interview combo would get accepted... Course it's all hearsay at the end of the day; I am just going crazy stewing with my thoughts & have nowhere else to vent
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Post by Unknown 1234 on Nov 3, 2015 19:21:21 GMT -5
f**k my life. Another round of midterms. I seem to be forever stuck with an 85% average. There is always that one course that brings it down. When the MCAT was used, I could average up the academic portion with a high MCAT score, since the average applicant didn't even have a 30... And at least come close to being admitted. Now to get in I would need an 88-89% score on the interview... Which is highly unlikely. With a range of 92%, my guess is that only ~5/200 people get an interview score of 88 or above. I don't know what to do why do you think you won't get in with a 85% average?
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Post by rejected on Nov 3, 2015 22:32:09 GMT -5
Because that is 4% below the average accepted student. That is HUGE. Just 5 years ago the average accepted student had ~84.5-85%, so 85% was very respectable in the application. But since then the marks have jumped up all the way to 89%. I'm speculating it might jump up even more - to 90%, since the MCAT was removed but we will see.
Keep in mind, I am not saying it's impossible. Just REALLY hard, as you will need a VERY HIGH interview score. Out of 10 people with an 85% average, how many will get a high enough interview score to get in? 1? I do not like those odds.
The only way this is wrong is if: overall students with higher averages do significantly worse on the interview while systematically those with lower grades consistently score higher interview scores. This would lower the overall composite score... But it is highly unlikely and I think a normal distribution scenario is more likely.
Now that midterms are done I'm just sitting here going crazy making excel predictions in my downtime
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Post by 12345 on Nov 4, 2015 12:09:33 GMT -5
in response to your questions, it's probably hard to tell what the average marks/interview is going to be like next year. I think doing a calculation to have a rough estimate of what you need does help give you something to work towards, but keeping in mind that the average marks and interview score changes each year. I use to do the same and calculate all the marks I needed to get an interview, but at the end of the day the average makes it hard to judge the distribution of marks... an 88 average can mean that the majority of the marks ranged from 85-91or it could mean it ranged from 82-94. There will always be people who did extremely well and applied with a 94% average which is amazing. But, speaking for myself, I can say that looking at the average is a guideline to help us see the how applicants did that year, however, the exact distribution of marks isn't stated, except for the range.. where someone had a 78% in their last two semesters and was admitted. hopefully this helps
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Post by Unknown 1234 on Nov 5, 2015 1:44:43 GMT -5
in response to your questions, it's probably hard to tell what the average marks/interview is going to be like next year. I think doing a calculation to have a rough estimate of what you need does help give you something to work towards, but keeping in mind that the average marks and interview score changes each year. I use to do the same and calculate all the marks I needed to get an interview, but at the end of the day the average makes it hard to judge the distribution of marks... an 88 average can mean that the majority of the marks ranged from 85-91or it could mean it ranged from 82-94. There will always be people who did extremely well and applied with a 94% average which is amazing. But, speaking for myself, I can say that looking at the average is a guideline to help us see the how applicants did that year, however, the exact distribution of marks isn't stated, except for the range.. where someone had a 78% in their last two semesters and was admitted. hopefully this helps yeah but that person with 78 probably had probably a better interviews score or had better marks on the preq. for example! I can never have 89 or 90 average so this means I can never be a vet? This is harsh.
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Post by metagame on Nov 5, 2015 19:42:11 GMT -5
I think it's worth pointing out that getting into OVC is about figuring out what courses are easy to get high marks in and setting up your semesters to exploit this when you have the more difficult prereqs. Introductory apiculture and social psychology are two easy 90%+ courses and can help you out if you do mediocre in biochem or stats so your semester won't be dragged down as much.
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Post by anonymous on Dec 8, 2015 8:55:36 GMT -5
I would just like to add that I know a couple upper year friends who applied last year and got in with an 85% or less in their last two semesters and an 86% average in their prereqs. It's not impossible!! Don't let the high averages deter you, people do get in with lower scores than that. If you want it bad enough you'll be willing to put in the work required to boost your marks that extra 1-2% that would probably put you above the majority of the crowd applying!!
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