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Post by aquavet on Jul 10, 2013 21:29:24 GMT -5
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Post by Tarnia on Aug 5, 2013 19:56:00 GMT -5
I don't have any facts to give you.
However, a friend graduating last year (2012) and now in her first year was telling me that the OVC told her class average first year salaries were around 70k. This was not her experience when applying, and ended up accepting a lower salary for other perks (close to home etc).
I am a 2013 foreign (R(D)SVS) graduate, and I have accepted a job offer outside of Ontario. I did this because it was a good offer *for me* and I am in a position to be able to move. However, it is not 70k and when discussing salaries, after I had accepted the offered salary we got to discussing "extravagant expectations" on the part of new grads of 70k+. I informed my boss what my friend told me she was told-and he laughed.
Perhaps someone currently at OVC can shed more light on this-I am going off what one person told me.
Take a look at the OVMA website and job postings. How many do you see for Ontario (probably most, proportionately, since it is the OVMA but how many total for how many new grads + one-year out vets maybe moving on + ...)? How many do you see for small vs large vs equine vs exotics vs whatever field you want to work in? Consider how many graduates in a year at OVC + out of province grads and/or foreign grads. I think average entry at OVC is around 110, I am not sure how many graduate but I believe it is pretty high. My graduating year at the thingy Vet was ~144 I think. Granted, most of those will be staying in the UK and most of the rest were trying for the U.S. but there were at least 10 Canadians in my class, not including those that would consider Canada, and most of those were Ontarians. As stated in the article, Ross takes in a lot of students that can't get in in Canada/US and graduates them faster. St. Georges is also now accredited and takes many Canadian/US students. The UK. Parts of Europe have english-taught courses that are AVMA accredited. Australasia.
On the flip side, there are many more vet schools in the US than there are in Canada. However the US population is much higher and I'm not sure how it equates in the end for applicants per seat at a school. Plus the foreign students.
As I said I really don't know much about it, though I'm trying to learn. Perhaps one of the OVC students/a staff member could give much more helpful information.
Now, the OVMA is only one forum for job searching I would never say it is the be-all and end-all. Try other provincial sites too.
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Post by oncovet on Aug 27, 2013 18:20:23 GMT -5
I read an article a few weeks ago in the magazine; veterinary economics and the situation seems to be getting worse. I can't recall the exact numbers but from what I remember in the year 2000, Ontario had approximately 1,900 veterinarians. In the year 2012, this number had increased to around 4, 600. Currently there are 3, 383 veterinary clinics in Canada, the majority of them located in Ontario. The veterinary colleges need money, so they are going to continue to pump out highly qualified veterinarians, even if that is about 80 - 100 per year. The suggested solutions to this problem were 1). Making it more difficult to gain acceptance into the doctor of veterinary medicine programs/limit the available spots - this would not be very good for the colleges. 2). Make it more difficult for foreign veterinarians to practice in Canada and make the process for licensing longer. Both are very sad solutions, but the reality of the situation is that it is becoming increasingly difficult to find employment in any field in Canada. They cannot just open up jobs because there is a surplus of people, look at the education system for example. My high school chemistry teacher was on the supply list for 6 years before she got a permanent job. I think that there are still jobs in veterinary medicine but I don't know for how long. We already have 4,600. How many more does this province need when people can't afford basic veterinary care due to the current economic hardships Canadians are facing. You can find that magazine at the university library on the second floor and read it if you are interested. www.canadianveterinarians.net/about-veterinary-medicine/stats.aspx#.Uh0x5JK1GSo |
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Post by vmurthy on Aug 28, 2013 13:12:50 GMT -5
The whole matter is actually quite complex and there is a lot of discussion both at the college and out in private practice. With the US opening more vet schools and enrollment numbers going up, there is a cause for concern. However, I dont think it is necessarily as bleak as the media makes it sound.
From what recent OVC grads report (we had a community forum on something related to this last year), there are sufficient jobs out there. Mind you, the nature of the profession is also changing, with more of an push towards commission based pay, more specialization and the like, so like Tarnia says, the expectations of graduates is something that needs to become more realistic.
Anyway, I'm hoping to broach this topic with Dr Tait at the OVC later this year, and will happily update this thread then.
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