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Post by lowenger on Apr 7, 2016 7:50:33 GMT -5
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Post by retireddvm1 on Apr 7, 2016 10:55:08 GMT -5
Yes, it is true about the 75%. I applied 34 years ago and the cutoff was 75% even then. At that time, the top 100 students got one of the old fashioned interviews and the rest (over 1100 of us) got to write an essay. The best 100 essays also got an interview. I was one of the latter. When I was in the interview, I was asked what I thought my odds were. I asked them whether marks counted or just the interview. They said the top 120 interview scores would be admitted. I figured I was a shoe in, because communication was my hottest selling feature. I was right. I am pretty sure that I was the lowest mark allowed in. The really weird thing was that I got in with a 78.4 and I got out with a 78.4 putting me at 120th going in and 10th going out, and I never really found it very hard. To make a long story short, I have been following the thread because my son, who is now 22, applied this year with really crappy marks (about 79/80) but absolutely phenomenal experience both animal and life skills. If you know anything about Meyer's Briggs, He is ESTP, and they don't tend to be academics. They tend to be jocks, and it is really really hard for them to ever get high marks. But they are really really good at some things. And in the olden days, they used to get to be vets. Not anymore. The deck is stacked against them. So i am sad for him. But I am happy that he will get to do something else with his life. Because ESTPs don't apply twice. They move on. Like INTJ's. When I got my call for the interview 34 years ago I was already studying for the LSAT. If I hadn't got the interview, I would have been a lawyer. All I am saying is, move on. Veterinary medicine's loss. I haven't' liked the new grads they have been churning out for the last 20 years. They are all completely insecure and don't know how to function in the real world since they don't know how to do anything but study and kiss ass. People who think there is a real difference between and 85 and a 95 are confused about what really matters in life.
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Post by vethopeful on Apr 7, 2016 12:11:13 GMT -5
I think people are referring to how the minimum accepted cut off for an interview this year seems to be around 85% and that cut off has been increasing yearly, drastically so this year.
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Post by retiredvet1 on Apr 7, 2016 12:51:21 GMT -5
in a perfect world they would read all of the information about each applicant and grade it, and give everyone who applies an interview, or maybe move to a cASPER test instead for increased efficiency, then weight to 33/33/33 basis. That would end this insane quest for an additional and extremely artificial extra marks. And maybe they would get some people who can do stuff besides study.
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Post by Guest225 on Apr 7, 2016 13:35:34 GMT -5
It's awfully presumptuous to state that none of the current vet students or recent grads know how to do anything but study and "kiss ass". Unless you've met and worked with all of them, you can't seriously believe this to be true. Graduates are young and have little real world experience - I'm not sure how much you could realistically expect from them out of the gate.
It is unfortunate that the admissions scheme heavily favours marks, but this has been clearly outlined on their website and everyone is aware of this fact. OVC is not the only option for those wanting to pursue veterinary medicine, and some of the other options are less competitive in terms of marks. This is the reality of things, however upsetting and unfair it feels. I'm not a competitive person at all, and this process has forced me to act competitively and care way more about marks than I normally would. But again, this is the reality of the process.
I'm surprised that folks with an 83-84% average were refused an interview. I guess the removal of the MCAT had more of an impact than I expected on the applicant pool stats. It's definitely gives me an uneasy feeling about admission stats from this year onward.
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Post by vethopeful on Apr 7, 2016 17:14:14 GMT -5
It's awfully presumptuous to state that none of the current vet students or recent grads know how to do anything but study and "kiss ass". Unless you've met and worked with all of them, you can't seriously believe this to be true. Graduates are young and have little real world experience - I'm not sure how much you could realistically expect from them out of the gate. It is unfortunate that the admissions scheme heavily favours marks, but this has been clearly outlined on their website and everyone is aware of this fact. OVC is not the only option for those wanting to pursue veterinary medicine, and some of the other options are less competitive in terms of marks. This is the reality of things, however upsetting and unfair it feels. I'm not a competitive person at all, and this process has forced me to act competitively and care way more about marks than I normally would. But again, this is the reality of the process. I'm surprised that folks with an 83-84% average were refused an interview. I guess the removal of the MCAT had more of an impact than I expected on the applicant pool stats. It's definitely gives me an uneasy feeling about admission stats from this year onward. I agree with everything you're saying...but OVC is the only option for most Ontario students unless they can afford to pay international student fees at other vet schools in Canada or overseas. It's great to have the chance to apply to the best vet school in Canada (according to popular opinion) but if you can't get extremely high grades and don't have access to a large amount of money you likely won't have the opportunity to be a vet...I was one of the applicants in the 83-84% range that was denied an interview.
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Post by retireddvm1 on Apr 8, 2016 3:09:14 GMT -5
To Guest 225, as a practice owner for over 30 years, I had the dubious privilege of meeting and interviewing many many, dozens of veterinarians, almost all women. Most did not want to work the required hours. If they wanted to work full time at all, they wanted to work between 9 and 4 no weekends or evenings, because they had chlldren. I actually interviewed scores who ultimately decided not to work at all. One, whose husband attended the interview with her, having actually been the party who responded to the ad. She had been on maternity leave for 4 years, and he was anxious she start working again. I offered her a job and got a refusal because she had decided that her son, now 4 needed a year of full time mothering to prepare him for the upcoming rigours of kindergarten. After about the year 2000 it became almost impossible to hire anyone who would share my workload in any kind of comprehensive way. Ultimately, I sold one of my practices to an East Indian graduate, and downsized to the other two man practice, using a retired 1974 locum to pick up the slack. I never did find a vet who wanted to work, and sold the second practice to another East Indian in 2012. I have since met dozens of vets who have retired after less than a half dozen years in practice, semi retired, or gone on permanent maternity leave and otherwise abdicated from the work world. This is a crying shame for the people who are not getting accepted and had their futures ripped out from under them by those who really only wanted to be a DVM to assuage their egos, not for the actual career. I blame OVC for their inability to weed out these types, which I suspect are the high mark achieving ass kisser, and I blame a modern generation of women for believing it is their right to obtain an expensive education like veterinary medicine and then refuse to actually do the job after graduation.
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Post by Guest100 on Apr 8, 2016 11:02:46 GMT -5
Thanks wannabevet. WOW!! Your average was pretty good. Did you have enough experience? I applied with over 3000 hours working alongside a vet and another 3500 hours of animal experience (large, small, and exotic). I was told those of us who received rejections were below the "250" cut off. So I guess another 50 or so will receive rejections when everyone else gets their interviews. Hi wannabevet! I'm just wondering how sure you are about the 250 cut off? Is this a for sure thing? I'm trying to mentally prepare for the outcome of my application and knowing where I stand as of right now, would be good to know. Thanks in advance
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Post by Alien on Apr 8, 2016 14:25:13 GMT -5
To Guest 225, as a practice owner for over 30 years, I had the dubious privilege of meeting and interviewing many many, dozens of veterinarians, almost all women. Most did not want to work the required hours. If they wanted to work full time at all, they wanted to work between 9 and 4 no weekends or evenings, because they had chlldren. I actually interviewed scores who ultimately decided not to work at all. One, whose husband attended the interview with her, having actually been the party who responded to the ad. She had been on maternity leave for 4 years, and he was anxious she start working again. I offered her a job and got a refusal because she had decided that her son, now 4 needed a year of full time mothering to prepare him for the upcoming rigours of kindergarten. After about the year 2000 it became almost impossible to hire anyone who would share my workload in any kind of comprehensive way. Ultimately, I sold one of my practices to an East Indian graduate, and downsized to the other two man practice, using a retired 1974 locum to pick up the slack. I never did find a vet who wanted to work, and sold the second practice to another East Indian in 2012. I have since met dozens of vets who have retired after less than a half dozen years in practice, semi retired, or gone on permanent maternity leave and otherwise abdicated from the work world. This is a crying shame for the people who are not getting accepted and had their futures ripped out from under them by those who really only wanted to be a DVM to assuage their egos, not for the actual career. I blame OVC for their inability to weed out these types, which I suspect are the high mark achieving ass kisser, and I blame a modern generation of women for believing it is their right to obtain an expensive education like veterinary medicine and then refuse to actually do the job after graduation. Women (and men for that matter) have EVERY right to become educated as they see fit and if they choose to leave their careers to raise children that is also their right and their choice. It doesn't matter if they have gone to professional school, college or finished high school. I believe that you are generalizing to all women with your anecdotal experiences in your own vet clinic(s). Also, I am not sure why the culture/race of vets that bought your clinic(s) is relevant. Sounds like you need some anti-oppression training. I wouldn't want to work for you either. Perhaps your son should be speaking for himself on this forum. Take your sour grapes somewhere else.
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Post by Hello on Apr 8, 2016 17:28:53 GMT -5
I applied with over 3000 hours working alongside a vet and another 3500 hours of animal experience (large, small, and exotic). I was told those of us who received rejections were below the "250" cut off. So I guess another 50 or so will receive rejections when everyone else gets their interviews. Hi wannabevet! I'm just wondering how sure you are about the 250 cut off? Is this a for sure thing? I'm trying to mentally prepare for the outcome of my application and knowing where I stand as of right now, would be good to know. Thanks in advance I think you can kinda guess. If you have above 88, you probably will get an interview
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Post by r u srs on Apr 9, 2016 5:02:12 GMT -5
To Guest 225, as a practice owner for over 30 years, I had the dubious privilege of meeting and interviewing many many, dozens of veterinarians, almost all women. Most did not want to work the required hours. If they wanted to work full time at all, they wanted to work between 9 and 4 no weekends or evenings, because they had chlldren. I actually interviewed scores who ultimately decided not to work at all. One, whose husband attended the interview with her, having actually been the party who responded to the ad. She had been on maternity leave for 4 years, and he was anxious she start working again. I offered her a job and got a refusal because she had decided that her son, now 4 needed a year of full time mothering to prepare him for the upcoming rigours of kindergarten. After about the year 2000 it became almost impossible to hire anyone who would share my workload in any kind of comprehensive way. Ultimately, I sold one of my practices to an East Indian graduate, and downsized to the other two man practice, using a retired 1974 locum to pick up the slack. I never did find a vet who wanted to work, and sold the second practice to another East Indian in 2012. I have since met dozens of vets who have retired after less than a half dozen years in practice, semi retired, or gone on permanent maternity leave and otherwise abdicated from the work world. This is a crying shame for the people who are not getting accepted and had their futures ripped out from under them by those who really only wanted to be a DVM to assuage their egos, not for the actual career. I blame OVC for their inability to weed out these types, which I suspect are the high mark achieving ass kisser, and I blame a modern generation of women for believing it is their right to obtain an expensive education like veterinary medicine and then refuse to actually do the job after graduation. Women (and men for that matter) have EVERY right to become educated as they see fit and if they choose to leave their careers to raise children that is also their right and their choice. It doesn't matter if they have gone to professional school, college or finished high school. I believe that you are generalizing to all women with your anecdotal experiences in your own vet clinic(s). Also, I am not sure why the culture/race of vets that bought your clinic(s) is relevant. Sounds like you need some anti-oppression training. I wouldn't want to work for you either. Perhaps your son should be speaking for himself on this forum. Take your sour grapes somewhere else. Lol, misogynistic old grouch. I'm glad you're no longer practicing.
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Post by ovcbound on Apr 9, 2016 5:04:57 GMT -5
Hi wannabevet! I'm just wondering how sure you are about the 250 cut off? Is this a for sure thing? I'm trying to mentally prepare for the outcome of my application and knowing where I stand as of right now, would be good to know. Thanks in advance I think you can kinda guess. If you have above 88, you probably will get an interview If you have an 85 or above you're fine. Not sure why you're spewing false info.
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Post by retireddvm1 on Apr 9, 2016 6:20:56 GMT -5
I am surprised none of you are shocked that there are no Canadian vets around to buy practices, and that it doesn't bother you that people take educational courses that are in high demand and then fail to utilize them to work at jobs. Most of you have been rejected and yet you are in favour of a system that provides placement in competitive courses for people who never work, while those who might enjoy the career don't get places. I had a student who will be graduating this year. Her mother is a friend (yes I know she wouldn't be allowed a reference from a family friend anymore) and her mother tells me she plans to work for a year or two, before she marries and has children and stops. I find this unsettling to say the least. And frankly I resent paying taxes and supporting a system which doesn't screen people for a sincere interest in working at the profession. And I whole heartedly agree to the fact that you are entitled to have children. I have four myself. but working was important to me too. I didn't rely on becoming a homemaker once I bagged a man to pay my bills.
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Post by retireddvm1 on Apr 9, 2016 6:31:10 GMT -5
And for r u srs, this is not my son's fight. I am the one who is disappointed in the system, in the applicants, in the whole profession for what I see as systemic rot. I did my time in the profession and after training and spending 30 years, I have infinitely more right to an opinion about what is wrong with it than you do. As for my son, he makes more money now as a farrier than he would as a vet who had been practicing for 10 years, which is in itself a testament to the fact there is something really wrong.
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Post by 1234 on Apr 9, 2016 8:49:02 GMT -5
ovcbound
If you have 85, you're on the far end so if you get avg on interview. you probably gonna be rejected. I didn't state a fact.. I said GUESS
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Post by willbeavet on Apr 9, 2016 9:29:10 GMT -5
I am surprised none of you are shocked that there are no Canadian vets around to buy practices, and that it doesn't bother you that people take educational courses that are in high demand and then fail to utilize them to work at jobs. Most of you have been rejected and yet you are in favour of a system that provides placement in competitive courses for people who never work, while those who might enjoy the career don't get places. I had a student who will be graduating this year. Her mother is a friend (yes I know she wouldn't be allowed a reference from a family friend anymore) and her mother tells me she plans to work for a year or two, before she marries and has children and stops. I find this unsettling to say the least. And frankly I resent paying taxes and supporting a system which doesn't screen people for a sincere interest in working at the profession. And I whole heartedly agree to the fact that you are entitled to have children. I have four myself. but working was important to me too. I didn't rely on becoming a homemaker once I bagged a man to pay my bills. You have to understand something... even if the vets you sold your practice to were Indian... that does not mean that they were not Canadian. Did you know if a non Canadian vet wants to come here and work, s/he should study and pass a lot of tests? so they earned it. Many immigrants are actually hard working, smart and want to do their best in a better futures so if they got what a non-immigrant could get, good for them. Also, if a person wants to become a vet, s/he is free to do so even if s/he has a plan to stop in couple of years. How can OVC tell if you want to stop or not? ? All they care about is that if you want to be a vet... will you be a good one?? One more thing, and a 22 year old should not tell you this, if you could have worded your complaint better, maybe people here would actually read it and think about it. Rather they just read it and immediately had an offensive reaction. Who do you think is responsible for that?
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Post by Troll you serious? on Apr 10, 2016 6:18:24 GMT -5
Ahhh using the old "your grammar/spelling is awful, therefore your argument is invalid" argument. Were you one of the people who used that argument against the first years when someone was telling them they didn't deserve to be there?
Lets consider some facts: This guy posting on here he's retired so he's probably older, obviously bitter, very possibly just bored, and posting in the wrong forum about the wrong topics. He obviously doesn't believe if you worked hard enough to get into and thorough vet school that you have the right to make your own decisions regarding your life. I mean if the ratio of available jobs to new vet grads is going down (last I heard the ratio was ~1.2 jobs:new grad, before it was much higher) it clearly shows none of the newer graduates are working and we clearly have a shortage of practicing veterinarians....
As for the applicants who didn't get in: I'm really sorry, I was in your position once and I hope you're successful on your road to get into vet school! I know the climbing grades suck, but a lot of people fail to realize it's not just the grades that are climbing. It's also the interview scores, and applicant numbers.
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Post by vetbio on Apr 12, 2016 13:35:39 GMT -5
Hey, just wondering, people are saying they refused admission... did you guys hear anything or you have heard nothing at this point so you know you didnt get an interview? I applied with an 87 and 88 and haven't heard a peep since I sent in my application. I thought they usually offer interviews in the last week of April.
Thanks!!!
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Post by Guest225 on Apr 12, 2016 14:48:11 GMT -5
Hey vetbio,
All that seems to have happened so far is a round of refusals. If you look on your WebAdvisor account under "Applicants" and then "Admission Status" you can see the status of your application. For those who were refused at this point, their status has been updated to say "Admission Refused" or something to that effect. If you still see "Application Received" then you have not been refused admission at this point and you are still "in the race", as it were. As far as I know, interview invitations have not gone out yet.
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Post by MK on Apr 14, 2016 10:32:28 GMT -5
Has anyone in the graduate cohort been rejected yet?
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